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the last 20 years, contained, in general, a | lieved, that was all that could be said. As passage, expressive of a desire to conclude partisans, they might do mischief to the å peace with France, and with all the enemy, and he was afraid they also an. world, if it could be procured on terms noyed the population themselves; but to commensurate with the safety and dignity look to them for any great effort, if the of the country. But now there was a total | English army were removed, was to ensilence on that point; and he wished to courage a vain imagination, in which there prevent that bare and naked exposition of was no hope. Buonaparté was at present the state of the country;-he wished to in a perilous situation, and every exertion prevent those distresses which the war ought to be made, by taking advantage of had, and must continue to produce,-being it, to procure a peace. But a feeling blazoned throughout Europe ; he wished seemed to pervade the minds of certain to save the country from being placed in persons, that a peace should not be cona similar situation to that in which she had cluded with that man- La feeling which he been plunged by the repeal of the Orders wished to eradicale from this country; for, in Council, when it was too late--and this in the probable course of events, we should could only be effected by a timely pacifi- be obliged to make peace with him. Let cation. No man was more ready than him, then, be sent to, openly and manhimself to endure privations for the public fully; the fate of the mission would be good ; no man would feel more repug. speedily known; and the issue would be, nance in endeavouring to prevent the peo- a conviction on the minds of every one, ple from making any sacrifice which whether a permanent and honourable tended to uphold the honour of the coun- peace could be procured or not. try; but when he saw the government The Chancellor of the Ercheguer wished placed in bands which his right hon. friend to make a few observations on what had (Mr. Ponsonby) was not himself disposed fallen from some of the preceding speakers. to supportwhen he saw a government An hon. gentleman had alluded to the expossessing power, but without confidence penditure of 1809. In that year, the bills
-when he saw the infatuation which pre drawn from the peninsula on this country vailed in the country, from the period of amounted to 2,800,000l. In the present Mr. Fox's motion, in 1793, for opening a year they amounted to 11,500,0001. So negociation with France, down to the pre- much for the comparative expenditure of rent hour,--he thought he acted correctly the war during these two years; and so in endeavouring to check the evil. He much in answer to those who imagined wished the Prince Regent to be informed that government had not made the most of the true state of the country, before strenuous exertions in support of the war fresh exactions were placed on the people, in the peninsula. In answer to the asser, that measures might be devised to prevent tion of an hon. gentleman (Mr. Creerey) their necessity. Many opportunities would who said he had read all the king's occur for the consideration of the Spanish speeches to parliament, and that in all of question. He agreed with the hon. gen. them mention was made of the commerce tleman (Mr. Robinson) as to the improved and revenue of the country, he would situation of our army on the peninsula mention that in the years 1809 and 1807, now, compared with what it was at the end no reference whatever was made to the of the last campaign. But, when he spoke state of the revenue or commerce. With of the importance of raising the siege of respect to the allusions to a tax on capital, Cadiz, and of the retreat of Caffarelli, a which he was said to bave announced, he question arose, which every Englishman begged leave to recommend to the attenwas anxious to ask; “What has Spain tion of the hon. gentleman who charged done?" To answer this, circumstances him with this, the treatise of Dean Swift must be noticed, which one would fain on Political Lying. He never declared forget. Let us look to lord Wellington's that a tax on capital was to be proposed. gazetted account of the battle of Sala- | All that he said was, that such a measure manca. We there find units, tens, hun had been resorted to in other countries; dreds, and thousands of slain and wounded, in Holland, Switzerland and Hamburgh on each side ; while the Spanish loss is for example, and that he believed it might reduced to six ! He should be glad to have be practicable in this country; but he this circumstance properly explained. stated, that he was far from thinking ibat 'Lord Wellington had spoken of the Gue- we had arrived at such an emergency as rillas as being very active; and, he be- made this scheme necessary here. An hon. gentleman (Mr. Whitbread) had ceived. He did not complain of the go thought proper to say, that we were beaten vernment for not issuing letters of marque, at sea by the Americans, because one ship but of the absence of all maritime military of inferior force had been taken by ano- efforts against the coast of America at an ther of superior; and a right hon. gen- early period of the war. Had sufficient tleman (Mr. Canning) had stated that armaments been seasonably stationed off our commerce had been swept from the the Ainerican ports, all the American vesoceau by the Americans. With respect sels would have been hermetically sealed to our commerce, he had to state, that till up in those ports. He did not mean the accounts from all the out.ports could to say, as bad been supposed, that the be obtained, which was impossible till the whole of our commerce had been swept end of the year, a correct estimate could away by the maritime efforts of America. not be formed of it. However, to judge What he meant to say was, that the capfrom the port of London, where a great tures by the Americans were greater in an proportion of the trade of the country infinite proportion than they ought to have was carried on, the inference would be been, considering the disproportion be. highly favourable, In the first ten tween our sbips and theirs. The Chanmonths of last year, the exports from cellor of the Exchequer seemed to bave the port of London, in official value, forgot his logic when he thought that this amounted to eight millions and a half, and charge was answered by an amount of the in the first ten months of the present year, exports from the port of London ; for the they exceeded thirteen millions, a greater amount of those exports by no means insum than for the same period of any dicated their arrival at their place of destiformer year, except 1809, which was the nation. His charge against the governgreatest ever known. No doubt the in- ment for not publishing a counter-declaterruption of the American trade was se- ration to that issued by America, on the verely felt in many parts of the country ; subject of captain Henry's supposed misbut it would be matter of great triumph sion, was also unanswered. The American to Mr. Gallatin, if at the commencement declaration stood recorded in the face of of Congress he could give such an account the world, and the government had not of the commerce of America. In the done the country justice in not stating the amount of the revenue of last year, there denial in a manner equally public. Why was only a deficiency of 90,0001. a very was such a counter-declaration withheld? small sum indeed in a total of sixty mil. Because, said the noble lord, of its being lions.
irritable matter. This was humiliation Mr. W. Smith said, the right hôn. the with a vengeance, if the Americans were Chancellor of the Exchequer had stated, to be allowed to publish such a charge, as a matter of triumph, that 11,500,0001. and we were not to answer them for fear had been expended in the peninsular war, of irritating them. Much bad been said in the last eleven months, while in 1809, in the course of the evening, on the subonly 2,800,000l. had been expended for ject of peace. He believed there existed the same purpose. He, however, must in the government of France, a determiobserve, that the depreciation of currency nation to pull down this country from the was not quite so great in 1809 as in 1812; situation which she beld in Europe; and and he believed the quantity of gold and therefore we had not only to contend with silver exported in the latter year, would our other difficulties, but also with that pera account for a considerable portion of the manent hostility of sentiment, which was increased sum. The same remark, he be- not alone directed against our warlike lieved, might be made with respect to the power, but against our very existence as a deficiency of the revenue. As they went nation. It was dangerous, therefore, to on, they would find that 60 millions this throw out among the people that peace year, would not be equal to 60 millions in was easy of attainment. Great distress the last. Nor would ihey find 60 millions certainly existed in the country, though it in the next year, equivalent to the same had been greatly exaggerated; but a sum now; and, instead of a deficiency of warning ought to be taken from the pro. 90,0001. they would see it continually in- ceedings previous to the repeal of the creasing
Orders in Council, not to hold out hopes Mr. Canning wished to restate part of which might only end in disappointment. the opinions delivered by him on the pre- He wished to know from the noble lord ceding evening, which had been miscon- what was the real situation of this country (VOL. XXIV.)
with respect to America? He had listened | ciation, or that the necessity of peace was attentively to the noble lord's speech of so orgent, that it became the duty of the last night; but if any person this morning House to interfere. Now, if the first ashad asked him whether we were at war sumption were true, it would not be safe with America, or whether there was a ne- or constitutional to address the throne to gociation with that power, or whether the seek for peace; the Address ought to be war or the negociation predominated, he for the removal of ministers. On the could not have given him a satisfactory other hand, if ministers were as ready as
they stated themselres, to enter into a neLord Castlereagh conceived the state gociation, the ground of an Address must ment he made on the former evening, with be, that they misiook the situation of the respect to our situation with America, country, and did not see the necessity of could not have been misunderstood; it was making peace, even if they could, and neither more nor less than a state of un- that, therefore, the House must interpose. qualified warfare. As to a counter decla. He did not think the country was in that ration, it would have been improper to situation; and, however mitigated the issue it until an answer was returned by form of Address might be, if they inter. America to the repeal of the Orders in fered at all with the known prerogative of Council, and to the proposition which had the crown, it would be telling the enemy been made to her.
that the distresses of the country called The Amendment was then negatived,
for peace. He, therefore, could not conand the Report brought up. On the queso of the constitution, not baving that ia
sent to deviate from the ordinary system tion, That it be now read,
forniation which the cabinet ministers Mr. Ponsonby rose, and explained his alone possessed. reasons for pursuing the line he had done on Mr. Whitbread went over the arguments the former evening. If he had been in the which he bad before advanced in support House in 1793, he would have voted for of his Address; and in reference to his asMr. For's motion to send an ambassador sertion that a spirit existed in this country, to Paris, to prevent the breaking out of personally hostile to the French emperor, the war; and for this reason, because the he instanced a pamphlet which was pubwhole question was, whether the govern lished by authority, during lord Sidmouth's ment of France, as then constituted, was adminisiration, and sent to the different fit to be treated with; and as he was of clergymen throughout England, to be opinion, that one independent state should read in their respective churches, filled not interfere with the government of ano- with the grossest falsehoods, relative to ther, he, of course, conceived that a treaty Buonaparte; and he inferred that this might be concluded with the provisional spirit had not subsided, as one of the paracouncil which then ruled in France; and graphs in the Speech from the throne, at he would have confined himself to this the conclusion of the last session, seemed opinion, that it was more easy to treat for to speak language somewbat similar. the prevention of war than for peace. His Mr. Canning defended the passage
in hon. friend had stated, that there were the Speech of the Lords Commissioners al. persons who entertained an opinion, that luded to by the hon. gentleman; and then no peace could be made with the present went over nearly the same grounds, on the emperor of France. Now, if his hon. subject of peace with France, as he had friend could shew him that such an idea before done. was cherished by any of his Majesty's Mr. Bathurst defended the administraministers, he pledged himself to vote with tion of lord Sidmouth, and denied, peo him for an Address to-morrow; because remptorily, as far as his recollection pero he thought the French emperor might be mitted him, the authorised publication of treated with as well as the head of any any sach pamphlet as that mentioned by other government. His bon. friend had the hon. gentleman. said, that the Address only proposed to the Mr. Whitbread said, it was shewn to him Prince Regent to examine whether a by the clergyman of a church in Bedpeace could be made on proper terms. fordshire; and the person who wrote it, This certainly was a mitigated character (Mr. Cobbett) afterwards declared that it of the measure ; but still it implied one of was circulated throughout the country by these two things--either that the minis- order of government. ters were not willing to enter into a nego- The Chancellor of the Exchequer wished
to know, if he could see the publication The Earl of Hardwicke trusted, though alluded to ?
he was aware it was irregular, that after Mr. Whitbread said he had a copy of it, what had fallen from the right rev. pre. and the right hon. gentleman should have late, be should be permitted to trouble it in a few bours.
their lordships with a few words. He reMr. Canning begged to put a question gretted that the learned prelate was not in to ministers, namely, at what time it was the House, when the Petition from Camtheir intention to bring forward the sub- bridge against the Roman Catholic Claims ject of the renewal of the East India Com- was prepared by the illustrious person pany's Charter. This was a question of who was chancellor of the University, very general importance, and it was pe- when he had felt it his duty to offer some culiarly desirable to those interested, that observations to their lordships, which he it should be known, whether it was or was was as ready to repeat in the presence of not to be agitated previous to the Christ the right rev. prelate, as in his absence. mas recess.
In the first place, it was impossible for Lord Custlereagh said, it certainly was him to avoid 'stating, that considering the not the intention of government to bring great public importance of the subject of forward the question alluded to before The Petition, sufficient notice had not been Christmas. But, being a question of such given to admit of the attendance of any importance, if government could come to considerable number of the non-resident an arrangement with the East India Commembers. For all questions of a local pany during the recess, it was their inten- nature, on which the resident members tion to bring forward the discussion at the were certainly well qualified to decide, earliest possible period after the recess. the notice described by the right rev. pre. The Report was then agreed lo.
late as the usual notice, and which had
probably been given upon this occasion, HOUSE OF LORDS.
was perfectly sufficient; but whenever a
question relating to matters of state policy Thursday, December 3.
was brought forward, it would be more PETITION
CATHOLIC consistent with fairness and candour to CLAIMS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CAM- I give that degree of notice which would BRIDGE.) The Bishop of Bristol request. admit of the attendance of the non-resied the indulgence of the House whilst he dent members of the senate, if they should said a few words relative to what had think fit to give their opinions upon the fallen from a noble earl (Hardwicke) on a subject; but he could not belp saying, former day, relative to the Petition from that the seldomer political questions were the University of Cambridge against the brought before the senate of the UniverCatholic Claims, be (the bishop of Bristol) sity, the better. With respect to what the not having been in the House on the day right rev. prelate had said on the subject alluded to. The right reverend prelate of motives, the noble earl observed, ihat proceeded to state, that it was not usual in what he had said was entirely of a gene. the University to give more than three ral nature, and not applied to the conduct days' notice of any measure intended to of any individual. The usage of the place be brought forward ; but in this instance, did not admit of questions being discussed, it being a measure of importance, six days' or debated, before they were put to the notice was given, a longer notice than he vote; and, therefore, he could not help ever remenbered in the University. He feeling that many persons might give their stated this to prove that the proceeding votes upon general grounds, without that was not unfairly carried through, as al knowledge and understanding of the quesleged by the noble earl; the fact being, tion, which must in all cases render the that the greater number of those who decision more satisfactory to themselves as voted in the minority came from London conscientious individuals, and at the same
consequence of the notice that had been time give more weight to the opinions of given. With respect to the insinuation as a great public body. to the motives of those who formed the The Bishop of Bristol repeated, that the majority, that they were looking either to notice given was unusually long. preferment or translation, he must leave it The Marquis of Lansdowne contended to the noble earl himself to consider, whe- that the notice was not sufficient, and obther a mere difference of opinion called served that he himself, although only a
day's journey from London, had not notice
for such a charge.
of the intended proceeding in time to be, and that his conceptions were equally well present at the University on the day ap- calculated for the success of his own enpointed for its consideration.
prizes, as they were adapted to circumvent Lord Holland observed, that the Peti. the enterprizes of the enemy. When bis tion did not express the sense of the Uni. plau was formed for the reduction of Baversity; the non-resident members not dajoz, of Ciudad Rodrigo, and Almeida, having had sufficient notice.
he had then determined upon raising the
siege of Cadiz, and thereby compelling VOTE OF THANKS TO THE MARQUIS or the French to evacuate Andalusia. My WELLINGTON_VICTORY OF SALAMANCA.] lords, these objects were the first in lord Earl Bathurst rose, and addressed the Wellington's consideration, and for impor- . House to the following purport: My lords, tant reasons which pressed themselves in rising to address this House upon a sub. most forcibly upon his mind. From the ject of Thanks to our gallant and distio- very beginning of the campaign his operaguished general who gained the victory of ţions pointed to the situation of the enemy Salamanca, I ain confident there can be no in the south, and particularly to the prinno difference of opinion amongst your cipal army under Soult, as the capture of lordships, with respect to the motion I the invader's battering artillery ai Ciudad mean to propose. But before I submit Rodrigo rendered it impracticable to unthis proposition, your lordships will, I trust, dertake any siege of consequence; or, at permit me to make a few observations that season of the year, to advance into upon the principles of military policy and Portugal with any considerable force, la motives which induced the marquis of carrying on the siege of Cadiz, the go. Wellington to pursue those measures which vertiment of Spain had long been confined eventually brought forth a victory, not within its walls, its power was become only productive of fame to the commander, considerably restricted, its reputation but of additional glory to the national among the people had been somewhat dectharacter. In doing this I shall advance graded, and its influence upon the Spanish nothing of speculation, but confine my dependencies materially lessened. To self so facts contained in documents al- free the government from this confineready before your lordships and the pub- ment, and thereby to give new life to the lic. When lord Wellingion had planned energies of the Spanish nation, was one the siege and reduction of Badajoz, his object of our general's forecast, and led great mind suggested ulterior objects, to the measures which he afterwards purwhich would ultimately affect the success
sued. For this purpose, after he had most of our cause in the peninsula. My lords, ably contrived the mode of assault, which I am not disposed, at this time, to allude succeeded even beyond his own expectain any manner to the mode of conducting tions, whereby Badajoz was taken, he had the campaign, further than to the ability in the first instance determined upon with which the noble marquis bas, at all marching into the province of Andalusia, times, and in all situations, employed the and oblige the evacuation of that province resources committed to bis care. No ge- by the French, which was another object neral, my lords, was ever more careful of for which he concerted his plans. At the troops entrusted to bis command no this period it occurred to him, that the general ever more cautiously avoided the possession of Andalusia was more imporsacrifice of lives, when the object to be iant than that of the other provinces. The attained was not equal to the expenditure people had been for some time subject to of so much blood. This disposition marks the power of the enemy, and bad gradually the career of his military success, and bas become less hostile to their presence, and been particularly manifested in the course some danger existed of their forgetting of this campaign. From the documents I their connection with their legitimate gopossess, and not those only which were vernment. To drive the French from the transmitted after the effect was produced, possession of such a province, would be but those which were written when the more conducive to the promotion of the plan was conceived, the extent of his ge- Spanish cause than to enter Castile. In nius, and the wisdom of his undertakings Castile the enemy's army were differently are most strongly designated and incon. situated : if they had troops stationed in a trovertibly proved. They likewise shew village, that village was obliged to be how much superior he was to those able strongly fortified: and if the distance generals against whom he had to contend, from one village to another was five or