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those means, he had totally failed. There, territory, he found new causes of congramust be blame somewhere, and some de- tulation, new sources of national pride and fect existed which called loudly for en- gratitude. He had called the atiention of quiry. It was somewhat extraordinary, the House to the difficulties with which as well as mortifying, that, after all the the emperor of the French was surrounded means which had been placed in the hands in his endeavours to reach winter quarters; of his Majesty's ministers, and the liberality and that he had considered as a matter of with which those means had been dis- great triumph on the part of the emperor pensed in the course of the Spanish war, of Russia. Would he be equally inclined that the country had not yet reaped some to consider it a matter of triumpb, if Buoof the fruits of the great victories; some naparté should extricate himself froin these of the benefits of the exertions which had perils which, in his opinion, was more than been detailed. Nothing, however, seemed probable, and after having found good to have resulted from all these advantages, winter quarters, return to the contest with but calamity and distress, which gave rise renovated ardour in the spring? Could he to the natural proposition, that either lord believe it possible that Russia could conWellington was not entitled to the praise tinue such a contest, and undergo a which the House was called upon to be repetition of similar dreadful experiments stow, or the fault of our failure was attri. and sacrifices ? Supposing he marched butable to the gross negligence and imbe- to Petersburgh, which seemed to be his cility of the ministers of the crown. He ultimate intention, would the same mode could not see how they could get rid of of defence, as at Moscow be adopted ? this dilemma. It was not, however, for Could Russia burn another Moscow to prethe purpose of going at length into these vent its occupation by the enemy? Would topics, that he now rose; all he wished to she burn Peiersburgh too? The Russian do was, to protest against the system of general Kutusow, speaking of the battle of delusion which had been observed by his Borodino, said, that he did not follow up Majesty's government for the last 19 the results of the battle, because he should years, 16 of them under his own obser- in that case risk both bis own army and vation, and to which the noble lord's the safety of Moscow. The event of the speech formed a sequel. In every speech capture of Moscow did, notwithstanding, which had been delivered on occasions si- take place. He, for one, could not greatly milar to the present, the same prospects admire the magnanimity of burning that, of success were held out; the same the preservation of which ought to have panegyrics were passed upon com- been fought for; nor could he see the manders; the same panegyrics upon mi- shining character of the emperor Alex nisters themselves, ending always in dis- ander, who was not, like the emperor of appointment, and calculated to engage the French, personally sharing in the them deeper in expence and war. Other danger of the war. He could not subdue and more fit opportunities would occur for the conviction which arose in his mind, the discussion of these subjects, which he on viewing all these things, of the utter now wished to avoid, as he was very un- impossibility of the emperor of Russia willing to dissent from any vote of thanks feeling any exultation whatever : on the or gratitude which might be proposed to contrary, he thought that unfortunate iothe present commander in the peninsula. dividual must be oppressed by a view of He could not help thinking, however, that the irreparable calamities to which himself it would have been better, if the question and his people had been, and were likely, had not been brought forward quite so still further, to be exposed. The noble early, and that time might have been al- lord, in his almost incomprehensible lowed to go into some inquiry on the ge- speech, had next adverted to that which neral conduct of the campaign, before the he was pleased to call a victory over the House was called upon to give their vote. moral feelings of the Spaniards. This The noble lord, in the plenitude of his was an expression which he felt himself satisfaction, had not merely confined bim- wholly at a loss to understand. Where self to Spain, but had travelled out of his was the proof of this victory? Was it to course, and had taken the House to Russia, be found in the support which had been where, in the destruction of from two to given to the Inquisition? Could it be said three hundred thousand human beings, in that our conduct in treating as traitors the burning of Moscow, and in the devas. the Spaniards who had adhered to the tation of an immense tract of Russian French at Madrid, was the cause of this desirable end? He should like to know | results ? The fallacy of such a course was by what right these persons had been thus manifest, from the fact of lord Wellington treated ? Had not their country been be- having gone half way in effecting the ob. trayed and abandoned, and had not every ject he had in view, and being then Spaniard a right to decide whether he obliged to retrace his steps. In conclu. would join the French or the English? sion, the hon. baronet, said, he felt it inIn his opinion, to treat them as traitors cumbent on him to take this opportunity not only exposed our own partizans to a of delivering his sentiments, lest he might similar fate, but an act of gross despotism, be considered as pledged, in the vote he and an abandonment of all humanity should give, to any approbation of the and justice-a species of conduct which conduct of his Majesty's ministers, than would tend more to defeat the moral con- which nothing could be further from his quest of Spain, than to the attainment of intentions. any other object. But as he said before, Sir Frederick Flood, said, he could not where were the proofs of this victory, deny himself the opportunity which was which had been claimed by the noble lord, now afforded him of expressing his admi. to be found? How many Spaniards had ration of the truly splendid victory of signalized themselves for valour in the field Salamanca—& victory which, while it of battle? It was true that our troops bad placed the bravery of the British troops in maintained their ancient character for a most prominent point of view, exhibited spirit and heroism, and on this head he felt the transcendent military talents of their as proud as any man; but when he heard commander, the most noble the marquis all this vaunting and bragging, he should of Wellington, in their true colours. Never like to hear what the Spaniards had done, was more consummate generalship evinced or where they had evinced a disposition to -never did the conduct of any man exsupport their own cause? Far different cite more deservedly the approbation of was the opinion of the marquis Wellesley his countrymen. It was not his intention - he had taken a very different view of to go into the history of the campaign, the war in Spain, and had told us we must which had already been so ably detailed 'look to ourselves for exertion, for from the by the noble lord; he would content himSpaniards none was to be expected. self, therefore, by declaring his hearty asUnder all these circumstances, he was of sent to the Vote of Thanks to the marquis opinion, if the war was to be carried on, of Wellington, for the brilliant victory that efforts should be made of a different gained by him over the French forces on description to those which had hitherto the 22d of July last, to which he believed been witnessed. The same miserable and there was no man, either within or withcontemptible state of vacillation ought no out those walls, would object. --" Thank longer to be suffered. According to the God," said the hon. baronet, "we have opinion of marquis Wellesley, who had committed our army to the care of a man been in Spain, the noble lord (Castle of cool and deliberate judgment, one who is reagh) had no right to attribute any not fool-hardy, and who knows when he failure to the conduct of Ballasteros alone. ought to go forward, and when he ought The noble lord had brought a charge to go backward. He is not a rash man, against that general, for not preventing who for the sake of a momentary advanthe junction of the two French armies, tage would sacrifice his army, but who, and to this neglect were the failures of lord with that wisdom indicative of a great Wellington ascribed. Lord Wellesley, mind, waits but for an opportunity to anhowever, was of opinion that these fai- nihilate the whole body of the enemy. lures were not merely owing to the con- After all the actions that have taken place duct of one individual; but to the apathy -- after all the blood that has been spilt, of the whole Spanish nation, as well as to it would be degrading to the name of the strength and energy of the French Great Britain and of Ireland, to solicit army, who did not, as the noble lord peace. Suppose a bully attacked would have it understood, melt like butter Briton or an Irishman, and that he was before the sun. He would ask any man, repelled by their bravery, would it bewhether it was a fair mode of measuring come them, after they had gloriously the merits of the war, by saying, at any beaten bim off, to sue for peace. The particular period, Here let us strike a bad thought was ridiculous—and equally ridilance, and see how we stand, and from culous would it be to think of suing for thence draw deductions as to the general peace, at this time, from that tyrant, that
scourge of Europe, whose fate I am satis- | was aware that this step must, of necessity, fied is now fast approaching. Let us all emanate from his royal highness the Prince but unite; let the feelings of the whole Regent, but when ihe services performed United Kingdom be conciliated, and there by the illustrious person to whom he alis no doubt but all ranks of society, wbe- luded were considered, he apprehended ther Irish or British, will join with one no opposition whatever would be given to heart and one hand to drive that scourge such a proposal. of mankind, (I was going to say,) to the Lord Custlereagh remarked, that the obdevil. He must be resisted, as well as servations of the hon. gentleman were not those erroneous people of America; but strictly applicable to the question before if you divide the country you cannot go the House. It was not improbable, howon. As courage and virtue are alike ever, that he might hereafter be charged common to all his Majesty's subjects, they with some proposition of the sort. ought equally to enjoy the advantages of Mr. Ponsonby was disposed fully to the constitution. These are my senti- agree with the House in returning Thanks ments, and these are the sentiments of a to the marquis of Wellington for the sergreat and loyal county, consisting of vices he had performed. As the boble eleven thousand electors, who did me the mover had gone into many other subjects, honour of sending me here, and of giving however, the merits of which he was not me the opportunity of expressing my sen- disposed to admit, he rose for the purpose timents. I have now to express my thanks of expressing a hope, that, in according for the indulgence which has been granted with the present vote, he might not be me by the House, whose pardon I beg for supposed at all to agree with many of the having so long trespassed on their atten- things which the noble lord had thrown tion. I cannot, however, conclude, with out. These he considered perfectly open out expressing my accordance with the to the House to examine hereafter. feeling expressed by the hon. baronet who The Resolution was then put and carspoke last-I mean, with regard to the ne. ried nem. con. As were also the followcessity of investigation hereafter. To that ing: investigation I think it highly necessary
« That the Thanks of this House be given the attention of the House should be se- to lieut. gen. sir Stapleton Cotton, lieut. riously devoted. Let the time come when gen. James Leith, lieut. gen. the hon. it will, I shall form my judgment as an Galbraith Lowry Cole; and to major independent man; I will look to measures generals Henry Clinton, Henry Frederick and not to men, and if I find my best Campbell, baron Bock, Victor baron friend adopt measures, of the utility of Alten, baron Low, Charles baron Alten, which I am not thoroughly convinced, I John Hope, George Anson, William Anwill vote against him. I will invariably son, John Ormsby Vandeleur, J. H. C. de act according to the dictates of my con- Bernewitz, the hon. Edward Pakenham, science; I will not be led away by party; and W. Henry Pringle; and to the seveI will ride my own borse, and will not be ral other officers; for their distinguished made the stalking-horse of others.--If mi. exertions in the battle of Salamanca, upon nisters are able to prove that they have the 22d of July last, which terminated in furnished the marquis of Wellington with a glorious and decisive victory over the all the adequate means in their power for enemy's army. pursuing his military career, I will vote in “ That this House doth acknowledge their favour; but if, on the contrary, 1 and highly approve of the distinguished find they have failed in their duty, I will valour and discipline displayed by the oppose then. As I said before, I will non-commissioned officers and private support measures, not men.”
soldiers of the forces serving under the Mr. Cochrane Johnstone thought it would command of general the marquis of Welbe no more than proper that some further lington, in the glorious victory obtained, pecuniary "provision should be made for upon the 22d of July last, near Salaihe marquis of Wellington. If any deli. manca; and that the same be signified to cacy was felt in these times of distress to them by the commanding officers of the apply to the public for this remuneration several corps, who are desired to thank for the brilliant services which had been them for their gallant and exemplary beachieved, the porpose might be answered, haviour. as in the case of the duke of Marlborough, “ That this House doth highly acknowby the grant of some royal manor. He ledge the zeal, courage, and discipline,
displayed by the officers, non-commis- | the Prince Regent liberally to contribute sioned officers, and private soldiers, of the to the supplies necessary for the support Portuguese forces serving under the com- of the country, that no person would be mand of general the marquis of Welling- capable of refusing all support, and of ton, in the glorious victory obtained upon proposing to leave the Prince and the the 22d of July last, near Salamanca. country defenceless, and without
without the “ That an humble Address be presented means of carrying on the war, or resisting to his royal highness the Prince Regent, the enemy. He knew it was usual when that he will be graciously pleased to give questions of Supply were agitated, to take directions that a Monument be erected in a large range over the conduct of his Mathe catbedral church of St. Paul, London, jesty's ministers, but he never before to the memory of major general John knew an instance in which an amendment Gaspard le Marchant, who fell gloriously was made to the general question for a on the 22d of July last in the battle supply to the crown. To himself it was fought near Salamanca, when a decisive a matter of indifference when the coudoct victory over the enemy was obtained by of his Majesty's government was canvasthe allied army commanded by general sed, but he certainly thought the hon. the marquis of Wellington; and to assure gentleman might have found another op
; Royal Highness that this House will portunity for his motion. At present he make good the expence attending the did not think it a fit opportunity of entering same.
at large into the topic to which the hon.
gentleman had adverted, and should Committee of Supply.) The Chan- | therefore content himself with saying, in cellor of the Exchequer having moved the answer to what had passed, that he felt order of the day for the House resolving more fully confirmed, by every day's exinto a Committee of Supply,
perience, of the soundness of the prinMr. Creevey said he could not suffer the ciples which he had advanced in the last question of Supply to be adverted to without parliament upon the subject of paper cormaking some comments upon the present rency. Had the opinions of the hon. depreciated state of the paper currency of gentleman and some of his friends prethe country. The ill effects of the opinion vailed, with reference to the same subject, recorded by the right hon. the Chancellor he had not the slightest doubt, that a fatal of the Exchequer during the last session of blow would have been given to the credit parliament, that paper was of equal value and commerce of the country, and to the with gold, had now been fully expe. rising hopes of the liberties and inde. rienced. He had heard that government pendence of Europe. Such being his themselves had become dealers in gold, opinion, he thought he could not do better and had actually been obliged to buy than immediately take the judgment of guineas at the rate of 27s. and 28s. a- the House upon the motion which had piece. He would wish to know whether been made. this was a fact or not; as when he saw Mr. Whitbread wished to correct the that persons of low condition were daily right hon. the 'Chancellor of the Exchepunished for this species of offence, he was quer on one point. His bon. friend by at least anxious to learn that the framers his amendment did not refuse supplies; of the law which led to these severities, he only wished the House to pledge itself were not themselves the first to break it to an early consideration of the depreIf this was the case, they were at an ex- ciated state of the paper currency. His pence of from 35 to 40 per cent. for principal object in rising, however, was to every 1001. which they sent to the con- remind the right hon. the Chancellor of tinent, which, with other ruinous circum- the Exchequer, that he had forgotten to stances arising from a debased paper cur answer two questions put by his hon. rency, called loudly for redress. Before friend; first, what was his opinion as to the question of Supply was put, he begged the value of the Bank-note, compared with leave to move, as a substitute for that mo- the gold coin of the realm ? and, secondly, tion, “ That this House will take into its whether any agents were employed by early consideration the state of the Paper government to purchase the said coin? If Currency of this kingdom.”
so, he thought it was an act of flagrant The Chancellor of the Exchequer said he injustice to commence state prosecutions should have hoped, after the House had against individuals, for crimes such as the do longer ago than yesterday promised to state itself committed. He protested
against the imputation of denying supplies himself, but to a friend, that the offer altogether. He saw no reason, if the was made. The sum was 27,000 guineas, amendment of his hon. friend were car- and the price, he believed, was about 25 ried, why the House should not afterwards shillings each. go into a Committee of Supply.
conversation then dropped, and the The Chancellor of the Erchequer said, he motion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer was at all times ready to answer ques
was carried. tions of fact; but he would not answer
TELLERS OF THE EXCHEQUER.) Mr. questions of opinion, more especially of Bennet asked, whether it was true, that his own opinion of the opinion of others. the Tellers of the Exchequer had ofHe begged in answer to the second ques, fered to resign a third of their
profits during tion, to state distinctly, that no agent bad the war, and whether other persons holdever been employed by government to purchase the coin of the realm ; and furing sinecures had made the same offer ?
The Chancellor of the Exchequer replied, ther, that so late as yesterday, a large sum had been offered to him, which he had that the marquisses of Buckingham and refused to purchase. (A laugh.)
triotic offer, but he was not aware that Lord Milion did not mean to support the amendment of his hon. friend." He any other persons had done so. concurred in opinion with him, that the Treaties with Russia AND SWEDEN.] subject required a very serious discussion, Lord Castlereagh presented the following and that it was the peculiar province of Treaties : the House to guard the public purse. He
TREATY OF PEACE, UNION, AND FRIENDwas surprised, however, at the observation
SHIP, BETWEEN HIS BRITANNIC Ma. of the Chancellor of the Excheguer, that
JESTY AND THE EMPEROR OF ALL the House had pledged itself yesterday
THE Russias; SIGNED AT OREBRO to the Prince Regent, to grant the neces
THE 18TH OF JULY 1912. sary supplies : the noble lord thought that it was perfectly understood that the Ad- In the Name of the Holy and Undivided dress did not pledge the House to any Trinity. His majesty the King of the thing.
united kingdom of Great Britain and IreMr. H. Martin asked whether it was land, and his majesty the Emperor of all the intention of ministers to adopt any the Russias, being equally animated with economical plan of reform, and reirench. the desire of re-establishing the ancient ment of expenditure, in consequence of relations of friendship and good underthe Reports of the different Committees, standing between the two respective which were then on their table ; if not, he states, have named for that purpose their should take an early opportunity of call- plenipotentiaries, namely; bis royal highing the attention of the House to those ness the Prince Regent, in the name and Reports.
on the behalf of his majesty the King of The Chancellor of the Erchequer said, the united kingdom of Great Britain and that he had endeavoured to look into the Ireland, Edward Thornton, esquire, his subject with all the attention in his power, plenipotentiary at the court of his ma. but he was not prepared to present any jesty the king of Sweden ; and his madigested plan upon the subject.
jesty the Emperor of all the Russias, PeMr. Whitbread wished the Chancellor ter de Suchtelen, general of engineers, of the Exchequer to inform him of the quarter-master general, member of the amount of the gold offered to him, and council of state, inspector of the whole whether it was the coin of the realm, and of the department of engineers, knight of also what was the price. He thought the the order of Saint Alexander Newsky, seller must be a very clumsy fellow to at grand cross of those of Saint Wladimir tempt to draw the Chancellor of the Exche. and of Saint Anne of the first class, knight quer into a breach of the law of the land of the order of Saint George of the fourth to endeavour to persuade him to an act class, and commander of that of Saint which would subject him to imprisonment, John of Jerusalem; and Paul Baron de if not to transportation. Certainly the Nicolay, his gentleman of the bedchamright hon. gentleman had the Attorney ber of the fifth class, charged with his General to protect him-(A laugh). affairs at the court of his majesty the
The Chancellor of the Erchequer begged king of Sweden, knight of the order of leave to state, in reply, that it was not to Saint Wladimir of the third class, and of