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information to communicate. He had just Mr. Barham said, that he wished to put told the House, that the additional 10,0001. some questions to the right hon. genilegiven lately to the Queen, was given to man, not as the confidential adviser of the her on no other ground, but on account Prince or his consort, but as the minister of her own additional expences. Now, he of this country. He wished to ask him in would appeal to the House, if the right that capacity, why he had recommended hon. gentleman had not stated the ex- an additional grant for the Princesses, and pence the Queen would be put to on ac- had entirely overlooked the person who count of the Princesses as a reason for the was so much nearer to the throne than they grant, and if he had not particularly were? He asked this question on public stated the expence of the removal from grounds, and he asked it of the right hon. place to place of the royal daughters, as gentleman, not as the adviser of the Prince, likely to make a part of that expence: but as the minister of the country. He yet it would now appear, from what had called upon the right hon. gentleman to been stated that night to the House, that state why no additional splendour was to the grant to the Princesses was to enable be attached to the Princess of Wales, the them to remove from place to place when wife of the Prince Regent. they should think fit to do so. Grants Mr. Tierney said, he rose to ask the right of this sort ought to be put on an intelli- hon. gentleman no question, for he saw gible footing. Was it on account of the that he was likely to get no answer; but he time of life of the Princesses? Then it thought they were entitled to conclude, from could not be suitable to all of them, the sullen silence of the right hon. gentle. because they were not all of the same man, that he sanctioned with his approbaage. What, upon such a principle as this, tion the separation between the Prince and the eldest ought to have had long ago, the Princess. (Cry of No, no, from the Chanyoungest ought not, perhaps, to receive cellor of the Exchequer.) The right bon. for many years. On these grounds he felt gentleman cried No—then let him give his himself compelled to oppose the Reso reasons for his present conduct.
(Cries of lution.
No, and Hear!) The Princess Regent had Mr. H. Thornton, though he felt himself not one farthing more assured to her than inclined to support a separate establish- 5,000l. She depended on the bounty of ment for the Princesses, considered him. the Prince for the other 17,0001. which self called upon to oppose the grant at might be withdrawn to-morrow morning present. Some enquiry ought to take at his pleasure. If the Princesses were to place, proving the necessity of throwing be made independent, why was she not such an additional burden on the people. made independent ? She ought, undoubtHe could see no inconvenience in the edly, to be independent.-(Cries of No, no! House waiting till the report of the com- from the ministerial bench !) The right mittee on the Civil List came before them. hon. gentlemen say No, no!"-and I For his part, he wished to adopt the pru- say, said Mr. Tierney, "Yes, yes !- I call dent precaution of waiting the result of upon them for their reason why she should the investigations of that committee, be- not be independent? Both the right hon. fore he would venture to throw the whole, gentleman and the lord chancellor must or any part of such a burden on the people. have informed themselves fully with re
Mr. Wrottesley agreed with the hon. gen. spect to her conduct. If there was any tleman who spoke last, that they ought to thing in that conduct known to them, and wait till the report of the committee was unknown to the country, unworthy of her, before them. He remembered well when the dignity of the country, and the digthe settlement of the civil list came lately nity of the Prince Regent, required of the under their consideration, that the right right hon. gentleman to bring forward an hon. gentleman (the Chancellor of the Ex- accusation against her.” He wished an chequer) did state, as a ground for the answer. If they could prove any thing House to vote the 10,0001. to the Queen, against the credit of the Princess, parliathat the Princesses would remain with ment ought to take even that away
from ber. He would now ask him-had he this her which they now allowed; but if they grant then in contemplation? If so, bad, could not, there was no reason why she he treated the House fairly · For himself should not be maintained suitably to her he thought the right hon. gentleman had rank in the state. If the King were to not acted in a candid manner towards the die to-morrow, and she was to come to House.
the throne, what would 'the right hon. gentleman then do? Would there be no Highness as Princess of Wales. All he provision made for her similar to that which could conclude was, that as Princess of had been made for other queens of Eng. / Wales, and wife of the Prince Regent, the land ? In the peculiar situation that the right hon. gentleman and parliament right hon. gentleman had stood, first as knowing of no charge against her, she counsellor to the Princess, and now as mi- ought not to remain dependant on the pleanister and adviser to the Prince, there sure of the Prince. was no man capable of giving more infor- Mr. Courtenay said this was the first time, mation to the House. He wished to know he believed, that the House had been why he had cast off one client to take a called on to prescribe what Message ought brief from another? He trusted that the to be communicated to them from the right hon. gentleman was not the fomenter crown. He thought there was a delicacy of the existing differences between the with respect to the Prince Regent and the royal pair; and he really thought that he Princess of Wales, which the House ought was bound, both to the country and his not to lose sight of. own character, to give some explanation Mr. C. Adams considered this subject of of his conduct.
the conduct and character of the Princess The Chancellor of the Erchequer said, of Wales improperly introduced in the that as for what he was bound to do from present question, and by a sort of side regard to the country and his own cha. wind. Such a consideration was not beracter, he should always judge for himself. fore the committee, and he thought it unHe did not know in what capacity, or with fais to hamper the right hon. gentleman in what exact view, the right hon. gentleman the way the right hon. gentlemen oppocame forward thus to question him ; but site were attempting. he had no objection whatever to state, that Mr. Whisbread reprobated the doctrine neither in his capacity of counsellor to her thrown out by the right hon. gentleman, Royal Highness, nor in any other charac- that he felt himself called upon to give no ter whatever, had he any charge against her advice, but that if the House should shew Royal Highness, or the means of bringing any disposition to provide for her royal forward any charge, and that he never meant highness the Princess Regent, he should to cast the slightest reflection upon her. feel it his duty to make the communicaHe would say nothing further on the sub- tion to the Prince Regent. The House ject. As to this discussion, he had no cle- bad now heard from a person who was so legated authority; no commands to pro. well qualified to judge, first as counsel empose an additional grant for the Princess of ployed by her royal highness the Princess Wales. Nevertheless, if he could collect of Wales, and then afterwards as the mithat it was the sense of parliament that nister of the crown, that the conduct of such additional provision should be made, her Royal Highness was perfectly blamehe made no doubt but that he would | less. It was certainly a very great satisshortly be fully authorized to recommend faction to hear, that no imputation could it.
be cast on the Princess of Wales. This Mr. Tierney contended, that it was when was peculiarly satisfactory, as the right grants were making for all the other hon. gentleman could not forget that her branches of the royal family, that a pro- Royal Highness once stood in his estimaposal for an increased establishment of the tion as a person who had been stigmatized Princess of Wales might be expected. for impropriety of conduct, and that he But the right hon. gentleman now gave published a Book for the express purpose the House to understand, that if they ab- of establishing her innocence, by the resolutely would have it so, why then he moval of those accusations. The right would abate something of his dignity, and hon. gentleman would do well not to forcomply with their desire so far as to re- get, however, that her Royal Highness commend a grant to her Royal Highness. still remained unvindicated. It appeared But in saying that he was not authorised, to him, that there was nothing improper --that he had no commands to bring for- in taking this subject into consideration at ward such a measure, the right hon. gen. the present time, when every branch of tleman was declaring, in other words, that the royal family, but the Princess Regent, he had not advised such a measure. He was provided for. When the right hon. was glad, however, to have heard the gentleman made a demand of an establish, right hon. gentleman state distinctly, that ment for the unfortunate monarch, of so he knew no charge against her Royal many lords of the bed chamber, and so many grooms of the stole (and be it re. who so pointedly disapproved of what he membered, that they could be employed termed catechising the right hon. gentleonly in giving accounts to his anxious man opposite. So far from the questions subjects of the state of his Majesty's health, which had been addressed to that right of which the public could get accounts hon. gentleman being either improper, inonly once in a month)—when the House delicate, or unparliamentary, in his opisaw large grants made to all the younger nion they were exactly the reverse of all song of bis Majesty, and a grant of 9,0001. these. When grants were proposed to be per annum asked for to each of the Prin- made to remote branches of the royal facesses; be would put it to them if that mily, what could be more natural, or more was an improper time to come forward for directly in order, than to ask why another the purpose of claiming some provision for person, more nearly allied to the throne, a person in that high and exalted situation was alone passed by: On every propoin which her Royal Highness was placed? sition for a money grant, he had no hesi-When the House heard from a person so tation in declaring it to be his decided well acquainted with the subject as the conviction, that it was not only the right, right hon. gentleman, that her Royal High but the duty of the House, to catechise Dess as not in anywise blameable, when the right bon. gentleman. On the subthey heard this from the very man who ject which had been so repeatedly alluded would have proved to the world in his to this night, there was, in his conception book that she was innocent, he would of it, something extremely mysterious, again ask if this was an improper time to which required being accounted for; par. come forward with a proposal to parlia- ticularly, he thought the House was enment? It remained to be enquired, whe- tiiled to know from the right hon. gentlether the funds already provided were or man, why he, who had been the advocate were not sufficient for tbai purpose. for her Royal Highness, should now have
The Chancellor of the Erchequer observed, been converted into the person who was that what he had stated with respect to the to withhold from her that justice to which Princess of Wales, was, that neither in she was entitled. He wished to ask too, his situation as counsel to her Royal High- whether the Book which the right hon. ness, nor in any other character, was he gentleman had at one time prepared for conscious that there existed a ground of publication, had had the printer's name charge against her. He should always affixed to it, as was required by law, or be prepared to make the same statement. whether, as had been reported, it was
Mr. Lockhart was of opinion tbat the printed in the right hon. gentleman's own only question now before the House was house? He repeated, that he thought the whether the annuity now proposed was fit | House entitled to know on what ground to be granted to the Princesses ? He was the right hon. gentleman, who had forclearly of opinion it was no more than whal merly been so loud in declaring the innowas demanded, and of course the resolu- cence of her Royal Highness, abstained tion had his decided support.
from reccommending that she should be Mr. Ellison agreed, that the only ques. placed in that rank in the country to tion now for the consideration of the which she was justly entitled ? House was, the propriety of the grant now The Resolution was then put, and agreed proposed to the Princesses. Whether an to without a division, and the House hav. additional establishment should be made ing resumed, the report was ordered to be for the Princess of Wales was not a ques. received to-morrow. tion before the House. He must deprecate the manner in which the right hon. BILL RESPECTING MEMBERS WHO 35. gentleman, (Mr. Perceval) had been cate- come BANKRUPTS.] Mr. Thompson moved cbised on this subject.-It was unparlia- the second reading of this Bill. mentary, indelicate, and improper. --With Mr. Wrottesley thought that it would be family matters that House had nothing to a hard case, in times like the present, for do, and in at all interfering, gentlemen any man, who, by accident, might become might widen, instead of healing, any a bankrupi, to be compelled to vacate his breach which unfortunately at present ex- seat. isted.
Mr. H. Smith could not see why per. Sir J. Newport rose to enter his protest sons who had suffered so severe an execu. against the doctrine laid down by the hon. | lion as an act of bankruptcy, should be gentleman who had just sat down, and more bardly punished than those who suf. (VOL XXII.)
fered a less severe execution, but who did not; but the hon. gentleman who were equally unable to pay their debts. brought in the Bill, had introduced proviThe law ought to apply generally, or not sions from the Irish act, which were not at all. In the present situation of the applicable to the English law of bankrupts. country, the mere circumstance of be- To equalise the situation of the members coming a bankrupt did not, in his opinion, of both countries in this respect, the law render a man unworthy of a seat in that must be embarrassed with many provisions House. He trusted some consideration of a different nature. At present, the Bill would be had for those whose bankrupt- appeared to him to be extremely defeccies were attributable to misfortune alone ; tive. An interval of six months was al-' and he declared that he had known more lowed by it after the bankruptcy, before, instances than one of bankrupts who had the exclusion of the bankrupt from the evinced by their conduct the highest sen- House. In the course of that time, either timents of honour.
by gift, bequest, or his own exertions, the Mr. Lockhart thought great credit was bankrupt night become better qualified due to the hon. gentleman who introduced than when he originally entered parliathis Bill into the House. So far were the ment. On the whole, he thought it better provisions of it from imposing a particular to reject the Bill, than to admit it with all hardship, that the various existing statutes, the embarrassing provisions with wbich it if they were strictly interpreted, would in must necessarily be attended. his opinion disqualify a bankrupt from re- Mr. Thompson declared, that his object taining his seat, and would authorise a mo- was to preserve, as niuch as possible, the tion for a new writ in the case of a bank independence of parliament, and to preruptcy. Now the proposed measure did vent persons who possessed no qualificanot go to an immediate removal ; but left tion, from sitting in that House, and making the possibility of ultimately retaining the laws for the community. No doubt there
He did not doubt that many bank- were honourable bankrupts, but nine cases rupts entertained sentiments of high ho- of bankruptcy out of ten, were attributanour; but such an argument as that, on ble to folly and imprudence. A country that account alone, they should not vacate magistrate would look shyly at a justice, their seats, went against all qualifications who presumed to sit on the bench and adwhatever.
mister the law, after having paid his creMr. W. Smith contended, that the legis. ditors a shilling or half-a.crown in the lature had wisely declared, that a member pound; nor did he think such a person of the House of Commons should bave a much more fit for a legislator. certain qualification, that he might be in Mr. Giddy supported the Bill, on the dependent of any corrupt motives. A principle that power and property ought bankrupt necessarily declared himself not never to be separated ; and therefore, that worth a shilling, and were that the sole all wembers of that House ought to be ground of objection to a bankrupt's re- duly qualified by the possession of certain taining his seat in parliament, he should property. Nothing bad tended more to think it amply sufficient.
injure that House in the public opinion, Mr. Wynn observed, that the 300l. a than that bankrupts and insolvent persons year qualification required by the statute had been allowed to sit among them; and would be now equivalent to 1,000l. He he was anxious to remove this stain from thought it necessary to maintain the law their character. of qualification in point of property in the The House then divided, For the second elected as well as in the electors.
reading 22; Against it 19. Majority 3, '. Mr. Lamb observed, that the Qualificacation Act provided, that a member should
HOUSE OF LORDS. have a certain qualification when he took his seat, but further it did not go. He
Tuesday, March 24. could not give his consent to a Bill which BANK OF ENGLAND Notes]
.Earl appeared to him to trench upon one of Grey said, that a measure was then in prothe first rights of the subject, namely an gress through the other House of Parliaeligibility to sit in that House.
ment, which embraced a subject of the The Chancellor of the Exchequer allowed utmost importance to the country. From that the existing law was anomalous : for all that he had heard on the subject, lie Irisk members becoming . bankrupts, va. could view the measure in no other light cated their seats, while English inembers than as a Bill for making Bank-notes a le
gal tender. In his opinion, therefore, prior | thority. He had heard some time since, to any discussion on the Bill, some infor- that it was the intention of government to mation should be laid before the House, afford relief to those persons who were ex to shew how far, in the event of the mea- posed, by this new construction, to severe sure having the effect he stated, the public disappointment, by introducing a Billiūto could receive it, without some sufficient se- parliament for that purpose. He always curity being given to point out how far ihought, that any act of grace came best the country could rely on that which was from the executive government; and, proposed to be introduced as a valid secu- while there was any expectation that they rity. He should, therefore, feel it his duty would propose some measure of relief, he to move for an account of the number of bad waited, with great anxiety, to give notes which had been presented at the any humble assistance which lay in his Bank, for payment, within a specific time, power, towards its completion. But, as and refused, on the ground of their being they were now approaching the recess, forgeries. If no objection were made to and a considerable part of the session had the production of this paper, he would elapsed, be wished to be informed whether move for it to-morrow. If, however, any it was in the contemplation of the noble opposition were likely to be manifested, lords opposite, to submit any measure to he would postpone it till after the holidays. parliament, of the nature to which he had
The Earl of Liverpool observed, that he adverted. Because, if no such intention would, at present, say nothing more about existed, it would be a matter of serious the Bill to which the noble earl had ad- consideration, whethera proposition should verted, than that he was entirely mistaken not be made by some noble lord not conas to its principle. When the measure nected with the government. was regularly before them, he should be The Earl of Liverpool said, that the ready to state his opinion fully. With requestion of construction had not yet been spect to the account for which the noble done with in the courts of law, for he un. earl expressed his intention of moving, he derstood that it was intended to have the was desirous, before such a motion was decision of the court of King's-bench re. submitted to the House, to know, whether viewed by appeal, or in some other way: any objection against producing it, existed When the question was completely settled in the quarter from whence it must be de in the courts below, then would be the rived; and, if any, what the nature of that time to bring before parliament whatever objection was. That he might procure sa- might be proper on the subject. tisfaction on those points, he wished a short Lord Holland said, that the matter had delay to take place. Probably, he should been decided by the court of King'shave an opportunity to-morrow, of ac- bench; and what he wanted to know was, quiring that information; and, if so, he whether there was any intention on the would communicate the result to the noble part of government to bring in such a Bill earl.
as that which he had mentioned in the
course of the present session? TOLERATION Act.] Lord Holland said, The Earl of Liverpool again asserted, that during the last session of parliament a that the question had not been altogether Bill had been submitted to their lordships disposed of in the courts below. Some by a noble viscount (Sidmouth) whom he applications had been made to governdid not then see in his place, relative to the ment for a Bill of this kind, but he thought Dissenters, which, however, the House had it quite time enough to answer such ques not thought proper to adopt. Without tions as these, when the matter should be meaning to state his own feelings and opi- decided in the courts of law. nions, as they respected that Bill, their Earl Grey said, he understood the noble Jordships must be aware that it had created lord's opinion to be, that it was most expea great sensation throughout the country, dient to let the business lie over until the and that, in consequence, a new construc- disputed point was decided. It was a mattion had been put on certain parts of ter of great interest to a very large body of the Toleration Act, different from any that persons, and, therefore, it was highly imbad before prevailed, On that conatruc portant that they should be apprised of tion he would say nothing. It certainly the decision as soon as possible.
He would be indecorous for him or any other should be glad to know, supposing, the member of parliament, to animadvert on recent construction of the act was upheld, it, as having the sanction of judicial au- whether, in that case, government con