very desirous of having it pinned to | hanna Southcot, &c. he could apply own shoulders, which he certainly to her disciples in order to know what ould have had, had he published the her doctrines really were.

ath.

This cer

tainly was just,-this was true can02 Mr. E. starts with a definition of the dour, this was true liberality. But opprobrious term, asserting it to be why not apply to Catholics; why not derived from our "leading tenet," the apply to our creeds as drawn up by flibility and supremacy of the ourselves, to our divines and bishops, Pope; though, by the bye, here are for a more accurate knowledge of our wo, one of our own, and one that faith, when Catholicity is the theme? I. E. has made for us. As to the But this is what Mr. E. calls candour, fallibility of the Pope, so far from &c. If ever Mr. E. intends to pubbeing a "leading tenet" of the Catholish to the world a sketch of ChrisHe Church, it was never any tenet at tianity, I would advise him to apply to all, although every Catholic may be- a Turk; and if ever his ardent zeal lieve it without forfeiting his ortho- for his neighbours' salvation should doxy; but when he affirms, as he does urge him to publish to the world a life little further on, that "some have of the Redeemer of mankind, a Jew ejected the supremacy of the Pope is his fittest instrument; for with equal together," Mr. E. must know, that propriety might he do both, as apply e who does so is as much a Catholic to Robinson for a portraiture of Casa Jew is a Christian. But, in truth, tholic indulgences. Your's, &c. T. T. Mr. E. seems totally ignorant of what January 5, 1815. Constitutes an article of Catholic faith. He proceeds, and says, by the ope's supremacy, is meant "his aujority over the princes of the earth, well as the Church:" this, like e is false, and for the truth of what I say, I refer him to the oaths and declarations of all the Irish and English prelacy respecting the Pope's spiritual and temporal power; as also to the answers of our most famous universities to Mr. Pitt on the very sub

ject.
But to reconcile Mr. Evans's sketch
of the Catholic religion with truth is
impossible. In it there is scarcely a
feature of that accurate discrimina-
tion; and of those distinctions which
have hitherto preserved the purity and
ntegrity of the Catholic faith.
With a mind wrapt iu ignorance, he
as undertaken to elucidate a subject
which he did not understand; and in

For the Orthodox Journal.

MR. EDITOR, At this critical period, when the professors of the ancient faith in this country are unfortunately divided in opinion upon that vital question, the Veto, it would be highly gratifying to every friend of unrestricted rights, to possess some popular memorial of that venerable divine, whose disinterested exertions have so successfully crushed the spirit of innovation, checked the slanderous tongue of assumed power, and, I trust, preserved our venerable Clergy as well from the scrutinizing influence of a contemptible (and now insignifi cant) self-designated association, as from a legalised commission. Your indefatigable exertions, Sir, in the cause of truth and orthodoxy, cannot fail of ensuring you and your intelli

his clouded imagination has mixed and ligent correspondents the grateful

tonfounded things as dissentient in their

nature as

thanks of the Catholics of the British Empire; yet I trust you will further oblige them, by opening a subscription for publishing a striking likeness of

midnight darkness from the Meridian beam. But what I most exclaim against is, his recurring to our enemies for a portraiture of our tenets, the Right Rev. Dr. Milner, V. A. as la sketching the doctrines of the surely there cannot be a more urgent isionary prophetess of the day, Jo- proof of attachment than a well-filled

list of subscribers for the portrait of a man, who, to the piety and zeal of a divine, adds the accomplishments of an antiquarian, a gentleman, and a scholar.

"Tho' round his breast the rolling clouds are spread,

"Eternal sunshine settles on his head."

I remain yours, truly,

the insignificance of the query need little study; for, Sir, when I refle that the Catholics at large are pe tioning, not for the obtaining a me favour from the Government,-not f the appointment to any particul place or patronage,-not for the sa of indulging any mercenary or am tious motives, but are claiming-t the word petitioning in such a case ours is totally misapplied, and on used on account of its universality,) those advantages, those honours, th eligibility to all situations worthy the talents, and that equality with the SIR,-In your number for March, fellow-countrymen which they com a Correspondent, signing himself der and look upon as their birthrigh "IGN-R-MUS," proposed a ques- when, I say, I reflect on these ci tion for discussion, which you, as cumstances, I must admit, that to as well as himself, was pleased to desig-"will the Catholic Emancipation ten nate an interesting and important to promote the cause of real and un query Now, Sir, without presum- feigned piety, and to encrease the ing too much, I think I may be allow-number of true Catholics?—or willi ed to differ entirely with you, inas-only serve to make them more amb much as I consider it a most insignificant one; and, I trust, that in the few observations I shall make on it, I shall convince you of its insignificance; indeed, I should not have noticed it, had Int perceived by your last number that the Rev. Mr. Martyn and your very able correspondent, "An English Catholic," had viewed it in the same light with your self, and discussed it accordingly. I ever regret that respect to my own sentiments should induce me at any time to differ from such persons, but, with due submission, I must say, they seem to me to have taken the subject up much too seriously; and I hope they will not be displeased at my entering the same field with themselves, particularly as the proposer left it open for general discussion.

ONE OF THE LAITY.

East Riding of Yorkshire,
April 8, 1815.

To the Editor of the Orthodox Journal.

I am much inclined to agree in the suspicion of the Rev. Mr. Martyn, that your correspondent considers emancipation as likely to have an un- | favourable effect in a religious point of view;" and I will go further in my suspicion, for I must suspect that your correspondent is far from being a friend to emancipation. To prove

you

would

tious of worldly honour and prefe
ment, and while it may perha
lengthen the list of nominal Catholic
will it not cool the fervour of the
dent, by removing those causes of
straint which hitherto have acted
so many curbs upon the impetuosity
the passions, and the prospects
more aspiring views?"is, in
opinion, as ridiculous or inconsister
as for a servant, when his master ha
ordered him to bring up his dinner,
to say, Sir, I would willingly bring
up your dinner, but I fear
eat more than would be wholesome
proper; therefore, Sir, you must hav
no dinner. Or, to make the analog
more appropriate, like a man who
suing in a Court of Justice for the r
covery of a valuable estate or birth
right, should be told by a Juryman
that, however lawful and just the
might deem his claim, they woul
neither give him his estate nor hi
birthright, lest he might
his own disadvantage! The position
I have drawn I think perfectly equita
ble, and therefore will leave that part
of the subject, and proceed to ano
ther. The union between Great tr

use them to

1

Justly

ain and Ireland was acceded to by | whereby to bind the Catholics, one the Irish Catholics under an implied oath of allegiance not being deemed stipulation, that their emancipation sufficient; (I must suspect that they would be immediately granted by the do not pay much respect to oaths British Government, not suspecting themselves, when they think that a that England would so soon and so dozen may prove more effectual than cheerfully have broken its pledged one, as if the solemnity of, and the faith. I beg pardon, I had forgotten reliance to be placed upon, an oath that, according to the eloquent lan- consisted more in the quantity than guage of "The Times," Napoleon the quality,) is it not from the fear Buonaparte was the only breaker of that a large stock of oaths may be retreaties, and therefore that no faith quired from the Catholics, that your was to be held with him; I had for- correspondent thinks the religion of gotten that England was not a breaker, the Catholics may slacken? but rather a non fulfiller of treaties; may he draw that inference, for I much then, Sir, with this conviction on his fear, and I have reason to know that mind, will any man tell me that the the solemnity of an oath is lost in the Irish Catholics will not benefit by an frequency of its repetition, until it unrestricted emancipation, in so much becomes as common and as frivolous as they will then remain content, unas the words " upon my honour.”— der the impression that all who sur- It is generally admitted that he who round them are their friends, and that is most frequent in giving his honour the Government which is over them is usually and without much examinatheir protector, and not their oppres- tion is found to have the least to spare. sor; and will not the British Govern- It has been very sarcastically and, it ment greatly benefit by securing the must be confessed, very justly reaffections and prayers of upwards of marked, "that England is the land five millions of people, whose high of oaths ;" and no one can wonder at sense of honour, whose unoffending the solemnity of an oath becoming a simplicity, whose unshaken courage, mere ceremony: for a proof I need go whose honest fidelity, whose noble no farther than any of our Courts of and heroic patience, is the admiration Justice. Let any man go and see a even of their enemies ;-will any man juryman or a witness sworn, (as it is tell me that, in receiving the affections called,) and tell me whether it is not of such a people, the British Govern- disgraceful in a land where religion ment will not receive a tower of and morality is so much talked of, strength, aye, and one which all the where we have Vice-Suppressing So arts of man, either by bloodshed or cieties and Bible Distributing Socie oppression, can never shake, while ties, both of which, but particularly it stands as it now does built on a the latter, have had no smail share in Tock of eternal strength. But, Sir, producing the effect I have just mentioned; the people have their bibles so constantly before them, that they begin to look on them as pretty story books. But, Sir, the oath of allegiance is an insult to the Catholics; for, by the laws of the country, the Go

as it is

very possible that your correspondent IGN-R-MUS imagines that a restricted emancipation will be granted, and consequently that it may be fatal to the spiritual interests of those who would accept it; then we

should

agree,

and in addition I will say, that to their temporal interests also it would prove most fatal; for the measure of restriction on any man

but a criminal is totally subversive of glorious Constitution. But it has proposed to invent new oaths,

our

been

vernment demands that the Catholics should take it; and why is it required to be taken? -Because the Government wishes to make sure of their loy

alty. Well, they take it, and Govern

ment turns round and say," no matter, you cannot be trusted!" Why, can

arms against and dethrone any future monarch, whose conscience, from conviction and an earnest wish for salvation, may induce him to become a Catholic. Now I, for one, can never take such an oath, and I am the more surprised at such a one being proposed, when I recollect that the same, or rather the substance of the same, has been proposed over and over again, and has as often times been rejected by the Catholic body. Dr. Milner's never-to-be-forgotten memorial against the Bill in 1813 (see Orthodox Jour nal, vol. 1, p. 14,) fully enters into the subject of that species of oath in the N. B. attached to his memorial, and d proposes the substitution of the following: "I do faithfully promise to maintain, support, and defend, the suc cession to the crown, and do hereby entirely submit myself to the limitation of that succession, as it stands in an act entitled," &c. "limited to the Princess Sophia, electress of Hanover, and the heirs of her body, being. Protestants."

any thing be more insulting or more galling? First you are to take an oath, and you will be believed; and then, having taken it, you are to be told, "Ah, but you do not intend to abide by it;" in short, you have taken a false one. Why, Sir, if the Goverument really does believe that we keep no faith with heretics, if it imagines that we will pay no regard to the solemnity of an oath, but will take the first opportunity to break it, why require us to take a dozen?-or rather, why require any at all; for it thereby becomes an accessory to the guilt: and we must recollect, that the tempter or provoker to sin is more guilty than the tempted or provoked. But the man who will break one oath, I say, will have no hesitation in breaking a dozen; he who steals a penny will, when the opportunity serves, steal a pound. It is under this idea I imagine your correspondent doubts the good effects of Catholic Emancipation: the query he proposes for discussion, in every shape I see it in, appears truly inconsistent, as well as insignifi- Before I conclude this letter, I must cant; and really I did not think it beg leave to notice a circumstance, worthy notice, but, as the proposer of which, I am convinced, must cause the question, I think your correspon- gratification to all Catholics who ad dent IGN-R-MUS ought to proceed mire the zeal and independence of with a discussion, so that some kind their Clergy,-who wish that corruption of arguments may grow out of his re- may never impede the course of a ve marks, however barren his query was. nerable and ever vigilant Vicar Apos You must see, Mr. Editor, I have not tolic, in the just and honest pursuit of been able to keep to the question, and his duty, who would be ever ready to the truth is, that I could not find a shelter calumniated virtue from the single loop-hole in the whole of it, slanderous tongue of hypocrisy,-who through which to push forth any thing would, in short, "bear persecution in the shape of an argument. While for righteousness sake." "I need not on the subject of oaths, I beg leave to add, I mean to congratulate my Ca introduce an observation or two on tholic countrymen on the return to his one attached to Sir H. Parnell's Reso-flock of the Right Rev. Dr. Milner, lutions, presented to the House on the the Champion of Catholicity, 18th inst. The resolutions, as far as firmest pillars of our Holy Religion, my humble discernment could lead the ever-ready and able advocate of me, appeared to me such as the im- our doctrines and principles against portance of our claims demand, and the bigotry and prejudices of our ene must give satisfaction to every friend mies; victorious he returns, his return to unrestricted emancipation, embo- being a proof of his victory: for we dying, as they do, the whole of our all know that it was boastfully assertclaims; but the oath must be al-ed by a certain self-named, self-elected, tered, for it binds us to take up self-supported, and self-overthrowing

one of

Catholic faction in this country, that

LETTER SEVENTH.

To the Editor of the Orthodox Journal.

Dr. Milner would never return, that ON THE POPE'S SUPREMACY. the Pope had sent him into one of the monasteries to pass the remainder of his life, that he had acceded to the Veto, and confirmed the unauthorized rescript of Quarrantotti, and was willing to barter his religion for the good wishes of the British Government; all of which circumstances have proved to be as false as have all their proceedings been insulting to Catholic feelings. I trust that the honest part will abandon them, and I know some The doctor contends, that " no aualready have for their latter meetings thority over the rest of the apostles, have been very scanty; even a piece was given to St. Peter, by the promise of ornamented parchment (as I per- made to him, (Matt. xvi. 18, 19) in ceive by one of your late Journals) either or in both its branches; nor was was not safe amongst them. How any right conveyed to him, which then can any one suppose that our re- could descend from him to his succesligion would be safe, if its ministers sors, in any see." p. 321. The word were placed under their controul ?- authority may be understood variousWith these convictions on my mind, I ly. Over persons divinely inspired trust that the hint which I threw out and filled with the Holy Ghost, persons in a letter, signed No Misquoter," eminent in sanctity, as the apostles published in your Journal for Septem- were, Peter had little occasion for the ber, 1814, will be attended to, that exercise of his authority. Where love the world might see that we really ad- and humility prevail, there is no room mired the principles and character of left for strife, the will of superiors and Dr. Milner. I should be proud to come that of inferiors become one. "When forward and advocate such a measure. there is no fault, (observes St. GreThe Catholics have now a fair opportu-gory the Great) by the rule of huminity for evincing the respect, venera- lity, all are equal." Dr. Horsley action, and gratitude they feel for their knowledged a primacy in St. Peter; sincere and disinterested friends, par- he believed that the power given to ticularly as such a measure might now this apostle, in these words, "whatbe resorted to without giving offence to soever thou shalt bind on earth, shall any individual, and when we recollect be bound in heaven; whatsoever thou that the object of our respect is one shalt loose on earth, shall be loosed in whose energetic mind has been for the heaven," was a privilege peculiar to last 25 years totally occupied in de- him. But he maintained, that St. Pe-our principles, and during the ter exercised this authority once only, whole time has been standing single to seven or eight years after the promise front and repel the insidious attacks was made to him, and then no more. made against them. To this we cannot agree. If Christ had said," Peter, thou shalt open kingdom of heaven to the Gentiles," this speech might certainly be wrested to the doctor's construction; but the words of Christ refer not to the Gentiles any more than to the Jews. The power which they promise is limited in regard neither of persons, places, nor times. They do not even

SIR,-With your leave, I shall proceed with my observations on the Bishop of St. Asaph's system of the primacy of St. Peter, and conclude this subject, by an explication of the principal texts of scripture relative to it.

fending

I shall not, Mr. Editor, close, as I have been used to do, by wishing you every success, but rather a continuance of that success which has already attended your exertions in our cause, and remain, your's, &c. T. M. London, May 22, 1815.

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