the only true one. This one point involves in his ideas the impossibility of the established church's claim to orthodoxy. He must consequently believe that this church is a new church, band if he have the misfortune to follow the injunction of St. Paul, (Rom. x, 10.) and boldly profess his own tenets, he infallibly calumniates the British constitution, and ought to be summoned to answer for his offensive deis meanour in Westminster-Hall. The crowded conventicles of the Methodists, the Quakers, the Independents, the Jumpers, the Dippers, the Seekers, &c. &c. may now pass a vote of thanks to the Rev. T. Kipling, Dean of Peterborough, for declaring them disloyal subjects. Alas! loyalty, in our degenerate days, is something like Tra! true faith, it is almost a stranger in this island; and unless the old Popish Canon, by which "the vulgar are forbidden to read the bible," be adopted by the established church, perhaps the growing spirit of Methodism will soon have annihilated it. If it be calumny to say that the established church is a new religion, it must surely be high treason or felony to abandon it. What Severity of punishment will the zealous Dean devise for the numerous delinquents? Will he summons each of them to answer for their offensive misdemeanour in Westminster-Hall, or will he establish in every village throughout the kingdom an ecclesiastical inquisition, with power equal to that of a court-martial? it For my to the constitution, he has been carried down the stream of mistaken zeal in endeavouring to trace so close a connexion between the church and state; perhaps too he has landed on the wrong side. The church may lament the defection of her children, but the constitution can never acknowledge this strict alliance. Iliæ dum se nimium querenti Jactat ultorem, vagus et sinistrâ Lebetur ripa, Jove non probante. Whatever claim the Dean of Peterborough may have to the gratitude of other Dissenters, the Catholic world is under peculiar obligations to him. Persecution has long since been proved to be no Catholic tenet, but if it were, we should now find no difficulty in justifying it. Dr. Kipling has stored us with arms, these weapons will ensure victory complete. We shall now easily defend the sanguinary conduct of Queen Mary and her prime minister Bishop Gardiner. ter Bishop Gardiner. We can say, as the Dean has said, that the Catholic religion was so closely connected with the civil constitution, that the person who calumniated the church calumniated the constitution. The heretic that was burnt in Smithfield undoubtedly calumniated the established church, and consequently the secular arm was lawfully exerted to avenge the calumniated constitution. The much-famed canon too, by which he retics are delivered over to the secular arm to receive condign chastisement, supposed to have been enacted in the 4th Lateran council, will now escape unnoticed and uncensured. The Fa part, I believe, that should the Dean's views be consistently seconded by the secular arm, few Englishmen will re-thers of that venerable assembly, we main to bury the bodies of the mar- will say, were actuated by the genius/ tyrs, except those clergymen whose of Patriotism, and with reason dealacrity in swearing to believe the clared that those, who, by calumniatthirty-nine articles has been rewarded ing the established church, calumwith affluence and honours.-But why niated the constitutions of the respechas the secular arm been so slow in tive states of Europe were deserving of isiting with due chastisement this punishment. Who now can censure daring disloyalty? Why have so the patriotic successor of young Ed. many fanatics received permission toward the VIth, or the Lateran Faspread a spirit of disaffection among thers, for endeavouring to preserve the his majesty's most dutiful subjects? integrity of their respective constitu Dr. T. Kipling has paid no compliment tutions? Or why should the Spanish Inquisition, or the Roman Pontiff, be | J. L. never intended to deny. On blamed for intolerance or usurpation? the other hand, H. W. has success. fully established his point, viz. that Infant Baptism is not taught in Scrip ture otherwise than by inference or deduction. Consequently that it is not there written, and consequently that tradition is to supply for the absent text. Hence, Sir, it appears to me, that all parties are right, and that confusion has solely arisen between these learned antagonists, through the omission of declaring the meaning they affix to the indefinite word taught. I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient humble servant, PETER GANDOLPHY. London, August 5, 1815. Whatever can draw forth the exer tions of such able champions as have lately contended in your Journal, on the point of "Infant Baptism," must surely afford pleasure to your readers ; and, in referring to the correspondence of N. G. and H. W. I must ac- P. S. Permit me also to notice anoknowledge, that I have individually ther article in your Journal, Dr. Kipderived much satisfaction from the ling's Letter to Mr. Lingard, at the rencontre of these two antagonists. tenor of which you appear to feel But whilst I am desirous of applaud- some astonishment. But if it be true, ing the zeal and the learning which as I have heard it stated, that in the both have displayed, I regret that one North of England Dr. Kipling has of the parties has defended his cause been called upon to exercise the reliwith much unnecessary warmth. For gious office of saying grace at table in his adversary had declared, that all Catholic families, and in the presence his objections were proposed hypothe- of Catholic Clergymen, I can very tically, and I cannot hesitate to say easily conceive, that the Doctor, judg that they were stated temperately.-ing of things bona fide, believes that If I may be excused, then, for this in- the Protestant established Church has terference, I will venture to suggest at length acquired a precedency in the to your learned Correspondents, that opinions of Catholics. the argument employed by Catholics against Protestants is not founded on Infant Baptism not being taught in Scripture, but on the circumstance of there being no written text to produce, and which alone constitutes the strict Protestant rule of faith. Now, many things are clearly taught by inference and deduction, though not written. When Mr. J. I.. therefore, in his "Strictures on Dr. Marsh's Comparative View," asserted that " Infant Baptism is not taught in Scripture," he was evidently speaking of a written text, and he wrote very intelligibly to the Protestant. N. G. moreover, in contending that Infant Baptism is clearly taught in Scripture, has written very intelligibly to the Catholic, and has triumphantly proved what Mr. For the Orthodox Journal. MR. ANDREWS,-We have had seve ral editions lately of that excellent work, the Encyclopedia of Theological Knowledge, Alban Butler's Lives of the Saints. This work, however, could not come down later than the time when the author finished it; that is to say, it could not contain the lives of those Servants of God who have been canonized or beatified since the Pontificate of Benedict XIV.: but, as there are many in this predicament, I regret that not one of your learned and zealous Correspondents has turned his thoughts towards giving their lives, which already exist in foreign lan guages, to the English public. A ... work of this nature would be equally | England might return to the bosom of curious, edifying, and useful. It the Catholic Church. Very frequently would shew, in particular, that the he was heard to declare that England Catholic Church has not been less il- sat close to his heart. O England! lustrious for the sanctity of several of England!' he would cry out on other her children, or for the splendour of occasions, with the most lively emothe most wonderful and incontestible tions. At other times he has said to miracles which God has wrought at his religious, Let us pray for Engtheir intercession, in these irreligious land; I, for my part, cannot help dotimes, than it was in the golden ages ing so, even though I wished not to do of primitive fervour. Among these it for no sooner do I begin my prayeminent servants of God, whose names er than this poor kingdom rushes into are already enrolled in the sacred camy mind. And there are now more talogue, or who, after long and scru- than fifty years that I have constantly pulous inquiries and examination, on prayed for the conversion of England. the part of the Apostolic See, are far This in particular I do every morning advanced in the road to this distinc- when I offer up the Holy Mass.tion, I will mention the venerable Li- What God will do with that kingdom guori, a late Bishop in Apulia, the au- I do not know: perhaps he will shew thor of many pious treatises; at whose mercy to it, and conduct it, in his inintercession, as has been incontestibly finite mercy, to the true faith. At all and publicly demonstrated within events, let us pray for it, and leave these few months, a woman, whose God to do the rest. Meditating on a breast had been cut off for a cancer, particular occassion, on the loss of and buried in the church-yard, it was that kingdom, heretofore so fruitful in suddenly restored to her, so that her Saints, he was seen to be quite abinfant drew milk from it in the same sorbed and insensible. He was then manner as from the other breast, in the infirmary, and about to take a which had never been diseased. I medicine which he held in his hand, will also mention the B. Francis Car- stirring it about again and again, withraciolo, founder of the Regular Clerks, out knowing what he did; at length Thomas of Philadelphia, a Negro he exclaimed, with extatick fervour, Saint of the Order of St. Francis, St. Angela de Merci, foundress of the Ursuline Nuns, and the Venerable Paul of the Cross, founder of that most edifying and useful Order of Apostolical Hermits, who, from their devotion to the Passion of our Divine | Saviour, are called Passionists. this most holy man, and Saint among the Saints, as I may call him, was in affection and devotion at least particularly connected with our country, I will here set down what one of his first disciples, now a Bishop in Italy, and a living mirror of sanctity, has published in this respect concerning him: Vita del. Ven. Paolo de la Croce. p. 206.— It cannot be said how many tears he shed, how many ardent sighs he sent up to heaven, and how fervently and constantly he prayed for the conversion of heretics, and particularly that ་ As Q where am I now ?-My spirit is in England, that land of martyrs, and praying God for that kingdom." JOHN MILNER, D. D. Wolverhampton, Aug. 18, 1815. To the Editor of the Orthodox Journal. But SIR,I had hoped that my last letter in your Journal for June was the last that I should have to write on the subject of my obnoxious query. your correspondent T. M. has, in your late number, aunounced an important màxim, that "silence shews contempt;" and, unless I make some reply to his last letter, I fear that he, as well as others of your correspondents, will apply this maxim to my lence. si I hope, therefore, T. M. will attribute this reply solely to a respect for his opinions, which, in fact, are so truly deserving of it, as to have extorted the respect even of their author.* Your correspondent, Sir, has acknowledged the propriety of asking questions without going into a discussion, and has established such propriety, even by the authority of his own practice. I will venture then to submit to him, that our dispute is at an end, particularly as I have attempted to show, without being contradicted by T. M. that the pursuit of emancipation is a matter that cannot but be somewhat interesting and important to your Catholic readers; and as I have also, according to him, furnished him with a monster which your most respectable correspondent has been pleased to transform into a loop. hole, to push arguments through. Your respectable correspondent, Sir, has, with a frankness, of which, I trust, I am not insensible, disclaimed the compliment which he imagines that I paid him, by resting the importance of my question on the length of his answer. Sir, I am willing to ad. mit the justness of T. M.'s disclaimer, but I will take the liberty to submit to hin, that my argument has been mistaken; that I did not even describe his letter as any answer at all, but that I merely meant to insinuate, that it was somewhat strange that your correspondent should take so much notice of a query, which he considered as unworthy of any notice at all. T. M. declares, that not above one of the five columns refers to the question, and I am told that not much wisdom is requisite in order to discover this circumstance. I bow with perfect acquiescence to this declaration of your Correspondent, and I assure him, that the mit the observation, the letter reminded me of an epic writer, of whom I seem to have read, that, having a very roving sort of imagination, he was unable to keep to the subject, but, in order to preserve the unity, which the critics require, he mentioned his subject once in the beginning of his poem, once in the middle, and once at the end. In the same man. ner T. M. though constantly stepping aside to aim a blow at the violators of treaties and the administers of oaths, does occasionally recur to the unfortu nate question, in such manner, too, as to induce those who cannot pretend to much wisdom, to imagine, that it is still meant to be the leading subject of his letter. At last, finding that Dr. Milner is returned, he takes his leave of the query, and flies off in tangent. by Having subscribed to so many the opinions of your respectable con respondent, I am sorry to disagre with him on a subject that afford him, apparently, no small satisfaction Your correspondent is of opinion, thai my conversion, as he calls it, is to be attributed, in no small degree, to the letter with which he honoured my query. In the first place, I am rather, at a loss to conceive what he means my conversion, as I was pledged to no opinion, and expressly proposed the query with a view to form an opinion on the subject which it concerns. In the next place having expressed my acknowledgements solely to Mr. Martyn and the English Catholic, I was rather surprised to find T. M. disengaging one passage from these acknow ledgments, and applying it to himself. Indeed it was too much to expect that that effect should be produced by a letter, in which he himself complains that he was unable to "keep to the very little wisdom which his sneer may possibly allow me to possess, had already discovered it. Hence I ob-question; that he had not a loop-hole served that he filled five columns, not with an answer to my question, but with remarks of which it was the occasion. Indeed, now that he will per * See the beginning of T. M.'s letters on my query in the Journals for May and July. even "for any thing in the shape of an argument." No, Sir, much as I to be converted even by T. M. without, respect your correspondent, I am not at least, the shape of an argument. Sir, I beg to return my sincere thanks to your very respectable cor- | respondent for the conviction he has produced in me, that his famous illustrations are perfectly admissible. I had ventured to suggest, that his juryman and his waiter were not appropriate characters, inasmuch as the estate did not belong to the juryman, nor the dinner to the waiter. He has defended and possibly evinced the propriety of such illustration on the ground that my query being insignificant, his illustration should be insignificant too. So that any person has a right to talk nonsense on a subject which he thinks foolish. This mode of defence I was not aware of. I am perfectly disposed to concede such a right to your respectable correspondent, and I beg his pardon for having intentionally appeared to dispute it. Your correspondent pursues me with unrelenting vigour, even to an attack on my unfortunate signature. He seems to suppose that I complained of his first letter, because I had assumed the character which that signature represents; but may I refer him to the letter itself, which merely requests him not to require any thing More from the character which I then assumed, and the signature which I then subscribed at length. He can see no reason why I did not do so at first, but that I would not acknowledge myself as such, What, then, Sir, if I Sign only part of my name, my initials example, does it follow that I am ashamed of the name itself? In what a predicament, then, is T. M. whose Signature, though it may represent several very respectable names, such as Thomas Martyn, Thady Murphy, and the like, may also signify Timothy Marplot, Theodore Mopstick, or Toby Muckworm! for whom I meant, and every body would condemn me of a wanton, cowardly, malevolent attack upon certain particular individuals; and if such gentle, men would condescend to notice such low-lived meanness, I submit it would not be necessary to establish the infa mous character I had attached to them; for though truth may be a libel, yet I will venture to suggest to T. M. that falsehood and libel are by no means inconsistent. I am, Sir, with the most profound respect to your correspon dent and yourself, your humble ser. vant, and well-wisher, IGNORAMUS. August 25, 1815. NOTE. In putting an end to this controversy, the Editor hopes he shall not be deemed guilty of partiality, having permitted the combatants to fire two shots each. But he would be wanting in his duty to his readers were he to suffer the contest to proceed any further, since it must be totally uninteresting and unimportant to them, although the subject which gave rise to it promised to be far otherwise, under the pens of the Rev. Mr. Martyn and the "English Catholic.”The Editor, therefore, hopes his two correspondents will turn their atten tion to some more useful matter, and he shall be happy in giving publicity to such of their productions as may be of real utility in promoting the cause of religion and morality, to which the pages of The Orthodox Journal are devoted. The Editor cannot, however, avoid observing, that the imputations against T. M. contained in the last paragraph of the above letter, appears to him to be not only too aerid, but unwarranted and groundless. To the Editor of the Orthodox Journal. videor nimis acer, et ultra Legem tendere opus: sine nervis altera quid Composui, pars esse putat. quid In conclusion, let me observe, that had I made a certain use of certain ini-Sunt quibus tials which I observed in your correspondent's letter, though I might not, perhaps, be prosecuted in a court of law, (the gentlemen alluded to would probably despise such an attack too much,) yet every body would know ORTHOD. JOUR. VOL. III. SIR, Whoever ventures to attack a favourite opinion of another, must expect to find a host of prepossessions, 2 S |