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No. 6.-Treasury MINUTE of 11th De to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, lo in
form cember, 1812.
lords, that if in any year during my
the present war the net profits of the sea The Chancellor of the Exchequer lays veral fees and salaries received in your before the Board, a letter, of this day's lordships' offices in the Exchequer, should date, which he has received from the mar- exceed' those of the current year, it is quisses of Buckingham and Camden, as your lordships' intention in every such follows:
year to pay, as your voluntary contribu“ Sir; as it is understood, from the dis- tions to the public, in addition to the onecussions that have taken place in the third of your profits, as stated in the said House of Commons, on the subject of the letter of the 21st ult, the whole of such public revenue, that the expences of the excess beyond the net receipts of the preensuing year will probably exceed those sent year;" I have it in command from of the present, we think it right, in expla- my lords, to acknowledge the receipt of nation of the letter which we had the your lordships said letter, communicating honour of addressing to you on the 20th your intention still further to extend your of November last, to state, for the informa- public spirited and patriotic contribution tion of the Lords Commissioners of his
espences of the war, and to request Majesty's Treasury, that if in any year that your lordships will be pleased to purduring the present war, the net profits of sue the same course with regard to this exthe several fees and salaries received in our cess as with respect to the original contri. offices in the Excheqner, should exceed bution. I am, my lords, &c. those of the current year, it is our inten
Geo. HARRISON. tion, in every such year, to pay, as our voluntary contribution to the public, in
HOUSE OF LORDS. addition to the one-third of our profits, as stated in that letter, the whole of such
Thursday, December 17. excess beyond the net receipts of the pre- The Bishop of Chester presented a Pesent year.'
lition from the clergy and certain inhabiMy lords read their Minute of the 24th tants of Manchester and Salford, against November last, and the letter written to the Catholic Claims. His lordship stated, the marquisses of Buckingham and Cam- that the Petition was signed, in addition to den in pursuance thereof.
the clergy, by 1,000 respectable inhabiMy lords are pleased to direct, that tants and several dissenting ministers. letters be written io the marquisses Buck. The Duke of Montrose presented a Peingham and Camden, respectively, ac-tition from the corporation and inhabitants knowledging the receipt of this communi- of Grantham, also against the Catholic cation, and of their intention still further Claims.-Ordered to lie on the table. to extend their public spirited and patriotic contribution to the expences of the Invasion of Russia.) The Earl of war, and requesting that they will be Liverpool presented a Message from the pleased to pursue the same course with re- Prince Regent, expressing his royal highgard to this excess, as with respect to the ness's desire to render aid to the people of original contribution.
Russia, suffering in consequence of the in
vasion of France, and recommending to No. 7.-GEORGE HARRISON, esq. to the the House to concur in that object. (See
Marquisses BUCKINGHAM and Cam-proceedings of the Commons).
His Royal Highness's Message was or. Treasury Chambers, Dec. 15, 1812. dered to be taken into consideration toMy lords; the Chancellor of the Ex- morrow. chequer having laid before the Lords Commissioners of his Majesty's Treasury, INFORMATIONS Ex-Officto.] Lord Hol. your lordships' letter of ihe 11th instant, land gave notice of bis intention, at an stating, “ that as it is understood, from early
period after the bolidays, to present the discussions which have taken place in a Bill relative to Ex-Oficio Informations. the House of Commons, on the subject of The noble lord stated, that he should not the public revenue, that the expences of bave again pressed this subject had his the ensuing year will probably exceed former Bill been under the consideration those of the present year, your lordships of a large portion of the House ; but the think it right, in explanation to your letter fact was, it was brought forward at a late period of the session, when the attendance | matter of complete novelty. Though was thin, and therefore he proposed to some of his friends might have done so, he renew the measure at an early opportunity confessed that he had not, as yet, formed after the recess.
his opinion on the subject, but said, that he should do so before to-morrow.
Earl Temple said, though he had not as HOUSE OF COMMONS.
yet decided, that, at present, the strong Thursday, December 17.
inclination of his mind was to support the Prince Regent's MESSAGE RESPECTINC grant. The INVASION OF Russia.] The Chan- Mr. Lockart spoke in support of the cellor of the Exchequer presented the fol- grant, and was hostile to the remarks of lowing Message from his royal highness the hon. baronet. the Prince Regent:
The Message was then ordered to be “ George P. R.
referred to the Committee of Supply to“ The Prince Regent, acting in the morrow. name and on the behalf of his Majesty,
HOUSE OF LORDS. baving taken into his serious consideration the accounts which he has received of the
Friday, December 18. severe distresses to which the inhabitants EXCHANGE OF PRISONERS. SLAVE of a part of the empire of Russia have Trade.) Lord Holland expressed a wish been exposed, in their persons and pro- to put questions to the noble earl opperty, in consequence of the unprovoked posite upon two subjects to which he had and atrocious invasion of that country by adverted in a former session. With rethe ruler of France, and of the exemplary spect to the African Slave Trade, six years and extraordinary magnanimity and forti- had now elapsed since the two Houses of tode with which they have submitted to Parliament had united in a wish that apthe greatest privations and sufferings in plications should be made to foreign the defence of their country, and the ar- powers to procure the abolition of that in. dent, loyalty and unconquerable spirit human traffic. He lamented, however, they have displayed in its cause, whereby to observe, that the trade still continued results have been produced of the utmost to be carried on under the flags of our alimportance to the interests of this kingdom lies, Spain and Portugal, but he feared and to the general cause of Europe, re- with a large proportion of British capital. commends to the House of Commons to He was anxious to know what steps had enable bis Royal Highness, in aid of the been taken, making use of the influence contributions which have been commenced which we must naturally have in the counwithin the Russian empire, for this purpose, cils of those allies, to procure the abolition to afford to the suffering subjects of his Ma of this disgraceful traffic, and whether, jesty's good and great ally the emperor of after the lapse of so long a period, any neRussia, such speedy and effectual relief gociation upon this point had at last been as may be suitable to this most interesting nearly brought to a termination? He did occasion.
G. P. R.” not mean to impute neglect to his MaThe Chancellor of the Exchequer, when jesty's ministers, but it could not escape the Message was read, proposed that it notice, that the majority of the Prince Re. should be referred to the Committee of gent's council was now composed of those Supply.
who were hostile to the abolition of this Mr. Whitbread said, that we ought to trade.-With respect to an Exchange of begin by relieving our own starving manu- Prisoners, he was also anxious to know facturers, as he saw no reason why, in this whether any steps bad been taken subseinstance, charity should not begin at home. quent to the last negociation, with a view
Sir F. Burdete said, that this Message to the attainment of this object; and whewas not only extraordinary, but insulting ther if it was found not attainable con. to the people of this country.
sistently with the honour and interests of Mr. Stephen differed much from the hon. the country, it was not intended by mibaronet, and thought the grant recom- nisters to institute an investigation into the mended in the Message advisable in the causes which had prevented the aitain. bigbest degree.
nient of this object, so essential to the inMr. Ponsonby said, that the Message, lerests of humanity ? whatever might be its propriety, appeared The Earl of Liverpool stated, with reto bim, or rather came upon him, as a gard to an exchange of prisoners, that every effort had been made by the Prince | into, one of which, however, was the delay Regent's government, consistently with which arose in making peace with the the honour and interests of the country, Turks, which detained a large portion of to effect an object, which, in every point the Russian force in a remote part of the of view, was so highly desirable, but un- empire, the Russian army was numerically fortunately in vain. That no propo- inferior to the invading army of France. sition had lately been made by the enemy Under these circumstances, the advice was to be accounted for by the events was followed which had been given from which had occurred during the last six various quarters, but particularly by the months. As to the Slave Trade, however gallant commander of our armies in the hostile he had been to the abolition of it, peninsula, to act upon a defensive system. nevertheless when that abolition had be- In conformity with this system, the Russian come the law of the land, he became as troops retreated, but in a manner that anxious. as any one, that foreign powers gave birth to the most sanguine hope of should also abolish the traffic. He assured the events which ultimately followed. their lordships that this object had not During the course of the retreat not a corps been lost sight of by any of the govern- was cut off, nor a detachment made prisoments in power since the act of the legis- pers, except in partial conflicts. At lature. There bad been, however, great length the opportunity arrived for offendifficulties to encounter in the progress of sive operations, and the events that folthe negociation, but with one of the lowed were already before the public. To powers alluded to, the negociation was in give effect to this offensive system, the a train to lead him to hope that it would greatest sacrifices had been made. There speedily be brought to a successful termi. was no example in modern warfare of so nation. With the other power greater great and magnanimous a sacrifice as that difficulties had occurred, from the un- of the burning of Moscow. Look at a posettled state of its government; but the pulation of 200,000 persons, voluntarily object had not been lost sight of, nor quitting their homes, and sacrificing their would any effort be wanting on the part houses and their property, in order that of ministers, to bring the negociation to Moscow might not afford quarters and be a successful termination.
come a place of arms for the enemy. It
was not merely, however, at Moscow, that Prince REGENT'S MESSAGE RERPECTING these sacrifices were made, but hundreds THE INVASION OF Russia.) On the order of villages were destroyed, upon the apof the day for taking into consideration proach of the enemy, by the inhabitants, the Prince Regent's Message respecting who, after making this sacrifice, in nuthe Invasion of Russia,
merous instances, retired into the adjoining The Earl of Liverpool said, that in rising woods, and returned with whatever arms to move an Address in answer to his Royal they could procure to encounter the inHighness's most gracious Message, he vaders of iheir country. In every other should perhaps have thought it only neces- instance of an invasion by the French sary to move the Address, leaving to that arms, except in the peninsula, the people feeling which he was satisfied actuated had stood for nothing; in Russia they had the great majority of that House and the stood for every thing--actuated by an country, to express a concurrence in an universal spirit of patriotism, they had roobject, which embodied so many senti luntarily made the greatest sacrifices, they ments congenial with, and characteristic had offered up every selfish consideration, of genuine British feeling. Understand every sentiment of mere personal enjoy. ing, however, that elsewhere some senti ment, every private object, at the shrine of ment had been expressed hostile to the their country. In these sacrifices, and in purpose of the Message, he felt it neces- such a contest, it was evident, that much sary to draw the attention of the House to individual misery must have been endur. the circumstances which gave rise to it. ed. To contribute in some degree to the A greater exertion had been made by the alleviation of that misery the generosity ruler of France against Russia, than he had of Britons was called upon-a generosity put forth against any other power. He which was characteristic of British feeling had entered Russia with a force of not less in all its warmest impulses, where no other tban 360,000 men, including 60,000 ca. consideration intervened. But here, to valry, and this at a time when, from va- the feelings of generosity, every consirious circumstances, not now to be entered deration of interest was added. Wby did France invade Russia ? 'not for the sake of forded by this country, to fix the sentiinvading Russia, but because Russia would ments of the Russian nation in unison with not adhere to the continental system; our own, and thus cement the union of the because the government of Russia would two governments ? The noble earl connot consent to exclude from her ports the cluded by moving an Address of concurproduce of our industry. Great Britain rence, and mentioning that the sum prowas, therefore, attacked through the me- posed to be granted was 200,000l. The dium of Russia, and to look at the question higher ranks in Russia had begun a conmerely in a mercantile point of view, the tribution which this sum was intended to greatest benefit had already accrued to aid. our commercial interests from the Russian Lord Holland never felt himself more successes. Was it nothing to have the embarrassed than upon the present occamarket of 36,000,000 of people ? Already casion, and had it not been an established bad our commercial interests been mate- rule with him, never to shrink from his rially benefited. The great interests parliamentary duty, he would have preconnected with our colonies, had experi- ferred being absent. His embarrassment enced the advantage flowing from the rise arose from this
, that he thought the propoin the price of all colonial produce ; our sition impolitic, but at the same time that manufacturing interests had been benefited it would be unwise and unsafe to reject it. by the increased demand for the produce He perfectly agreed with the noble earl in of their industry. Every channel of com. his praise of the patriotism of the Russian merce had received fresh life and vigour, nation, and this praise was more particuthrough the successes of the Russians. larly applicable to the peasantry, who in Looking at the question, therefore, in the sacrificing the produce of their earnings, narrowest point of view, the proposed aid bad not the consolation of those feelings was eminently called for—but in how much which were inseparable from the soldier, greater a degree, from other causes, and but were actuated solely by motives of pure other feelings? Had it been merely a patriotism. He could not, however, agree check to that torrent of ambition which in the propriety of the mode proposed, had deluged so many other countries, still nor did he see that the aid could consishe would have contended for the grant; tently be afforded. If such a sum was but here, where British interests were con- disposable for this purpose, why had it not cerned in the contest—where British in- been applied to replenish lord Wellingterests were so materially benefited by ton's military chest; and might not the the result-how much more was such an emperor of Russia say, if this money had aid called for? Let it not be supposed been applied in time to replenish lord that he was insensible to the privations and Wellington's military chest, it would the sufferings of the people of this country; have been of greater advantage to my but let it be recollected that here we were cause than sending it now to me? The exempt from the actual calamities of war. only argument that could induce him The sending out fleets and armies on fo- to accede to the proposition, was that reign expeditions, or the taxation conse- used by the noble lord, of shewing a disquent upon war, were as nothing, com. position to aid the Russian nation. He pared with those calamities which arose agreed that this was of importance, and he from a country being made the actual trusted, at the same time, that in the altheatre of war. From these horrors we liance of the courts of Petersburgh and were exempted, but let us look with an London, there was a perfect understandeye of generosity to those who were suf- | ing as to their objects, not only as to carryfering all the horrors of such a calamity. ing on the war, but as to the means of Was it not of importance to shew a dispo. bringing about a secure peace.
Whether sition to aid the suffering people of Russia, the emperor of France should escape or and thereby cement the union of the two not, he trusted that the events that had powers ? The French in their invasion of happened would clear the way for that siRussia, by the cruelties they had com- luation of affsirs, which might render a mitted, and by the sacrilegious destruction peace upon secure grounds, less difficult of of their sacred edifices, had inspired the attainment; and that upon this point Russians with a detestation which would there was a thorough understanding benot only be felt by those now in existence, tween the courts of Petersburgh and Lonbut by generations still unborn. Was it don. For such an object, so highly to be not of importance then, by the aid af- desired, he anxiously looked to the effects (VOL. XXIV.)
of this alliance, nor would he for a moment | fected by resorting to this measure? Had suppose, that any intention existed of en. it tended to support the war in the penin. deavouring to force any other government sula. It was a well known fact, on the upon France; which could only have the contrary, that ministers had been unable effect of rousing against us the yet re- to send a requisite supply in specie to lord maining considerable resources of that Wellington, and that his lordship had only power. With respect to the proposition been enabled to procure a supply from the now made, it must rest upon the responsi- circumstance of there being two prices in bility of ministers. He did not think Portugal, a gold price and a paper price. enough had been laid before the House to Had a similar legislative enactment to this shew the propriety of the grant, but he prevailed in Portugal the supply could not was willing to believe that ministers had have been obtained. Thus it would be in tbeir possession information to warrant seen that it was only upon the principle the proposition. If any hint had been of two prices that our army was supplied given to ministers that such a grant would in the peninsula, a principle which, in be acceptable to the Russian government, fact, prevaited in this country, but in inor the Russian nation, then he should not effectually endeavouring to counteract hesitate a moment in agreeing to it. Under which by this measure, ministers had prethis impression, he would not with hold his cluded the means of adequately supplying 'vote from the proposition.
our army there from hence. The same The Address was agreed to nem. dis. principle also of two prices prevailed in
Canada, where 100,000l. in Bank notes Gold Coin Bill.) On the order of had been sent, and had been discounted, the day being read, for going into a Com- being taken at the rate of 14s. in the mittee on this Bill,
pound. Impressed with the idea of the The Marquis of Lansdowne expressed a futility of enacting what was in itself abwish, that the Bill had been divided into surd, and in its consequences mischievous, two. To one part of it he was disposed as it could not prevent the two prices to agree, namely, that which respected which it was its object to counteract, and distress for rent; it was true, it was a part as it operated by driving the gold out of the of a faulty system, but it was certainly ne- market to prevent a return to a sound and cessary to protect tenants from oppres- healthy circulation, he intended to have sion in being called upon to do that which taken the sense of the House upon a mowould be, under present circumstances, a tion for dividing the Bill into two; but as violation of the original contract with the the House was thinly attended, he should Jandlord; for though a noble friend of his not put it to the vote. in calling for rents in specie, bad laid The Earl of Clancarty contended, that down rules which were perfectly equitable, the most mischievous consequences would yet other landlords might not be actuated result from having two prices, and that by the same equity. So far, therefore, the supply to our army in the peninsula he agreed in the measure; but to the was best secured by the present measure. other part of the Bill, which went in fact The Bill then passed through the Comto declare, that no person should part with mittee. gold, except for less than its value, nor take paper except for more than its value, he considered it as a system pregnant with
HOUSE OF COMMONS. incalculable mischief. He would not now
Friday, December 18. enter into the question of depreciation ;
PRINCE Regent's Message FOR REbut confine himself to the more immediate
The INHABITANTS OF Russia.] object of the Bill, and he contended that The House resolved itself into a Commits it was perfectly absurd to attempt by a tee of Supply, to which the Message of legislative provision to give a currency to the Prince Regent respecting the invasion paper, which was not worth the value set of Russia was referred. The Message
Similar expedients had been being read, the resort of all weak and tyrannical go- The Chancellor of the Ercheguer then vernments, and had successively failed. said, that had it not been for some intimaThe natural consequence was, the driving lions of intended opposition which the all the gold out of the market, and thus reading of the Message had produced last precluding the means of returning to pay: night, he should have left the question he ments in specie. What good had been ef- was about to propose to be decided by the